Koj yuav ua li cas thiaj ua tau qhov sib txawv ntawm kev ua tiav hauv lub xeev Wisconsin?
Tony Evers: koj puas xav tau ntau tus thwjtim?: Nws yog qhov txaus ntshai heev. Tsis muaj lwm txoj hauv kev los piav qhia nws. Thaum ib tug menyuam yaus dawb los ntawm tsev neeg txom nyem tuaj yeem ua tiav qib siab dua li cov menyuam yaus dub los ntawm tsev neeg muaj nyiaj, muaj qee yam tsis ncaj ncees lawm nrog lub kaw lus, kiag li.
Muaj txhua yam uas tau sim. Frankly, nyob rau hauv xyoo tas los no feem ntau yog kev tswj hwm yam khoom, thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov uas kuv muaj kev ntxhov siab tiag tiag. Peb siv tag nrho peb lub sij hawm tham txog qhov twg yog qhov zoo dua: cov tsev kawm ntawv pej xeem tsis tu ncua, tsev kawm ntawv voucher, tsev kawm ntawv charter, thiab koj tuaj yeem saib cov ntaub ntawv rau feem ntau, nws tsis muaj qhov sib txawv. Thiab peb tab tom siv txhua yam sijhawm thiab nyiaj txiag tsom rau qhov ntawd. Yog vim li ntawd kuv thiaj ua li no Txhim kho kev ua tau zoo rau txhua lub zog ua haujlwm kom zoo li muab tso tseg rau yam tsawg kawg me ntsis thiab tham txog dab tsi tshwm sim hauv chav kawm. Thiab kuv xav tias lawv tuaj nrog qee cov lus pom zoo. Nws yuav tsis hloov thaum hmo ntuj, thiab kuv xav tias qee yam uas lawv tawm tswv yim yuav ua rau muaj qhov sib txawv. Tab sis nws yuav nyuaj sledding. Wisconsin muaj keeb kwm tsis muaj peev xwm daws tau qhov teeb meem no thiab, hais ncaj, tsis muaj peev xwm tshem tau cov neeg muaj xim tawm ntawm kev txom nyem los ntawm ib qho tseem ceeb.
Kuv tau nyob ib puag ncig ntev txaus uas kuv pom qhov hloov pauv qhov twg, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob rau hauv zej zog African-Asmeskas hauv Milwaukee, kev tsim khoom hnyav yog huab tais. Cov neeg tuaj yeem tau txais kev pabcuam zoo rau tsev neeg rau lawv lub neej tag nrho thiab cov haujlwm ntawd, ntau tus tau tuav los ntawm African-Asmeskas hauv cheeb tsam Milwaukee thiab lwm thaj chaw hauv nroog. Lawv ploj mus zoo li hmo ntuj. Kuv paub tias nws tsis yog ... ntawm no hnub no thiab tag kis mus, tab sis lawv (txoj haujlwm) yeej tsis rov qab los. Lawv tau hloov cov hauj lwm txhawb nqa tsev neeg uas tsis muaj hauj lwm lossis cov hauj lwm tau nyiaj tsawg tshaj plaws uas ua tau, yog li ntawd yog ib feem ntawm kev coj ncaj ncees uas peb tab tom ntsib.
… Peb puas tuaj yeem ua tau ntau dua hauv peb lub tsev kawm ntawv? Yog lawm, thiab peb yuav tsum ua ntau dua tab sis qhov tseeb ntawm qhov teeb meem yog peb xav tau tag nrho lub xeev kom zoo li kev sib tw nyob ib puag ncig cov neeg txom nyem lossis qhov no yuav tsis daws tau qhov txaus siab.
Koj xav li cas txog kev hloov pauv txoj cai tam sim no rau Tshooj 220 thiab SAGE?
Evers: Thiab cov no yog cov haujlwm tseem ceeb. Ua ncaj ncees, 220 qhov kev pab cuam yuav khiav tawm ntawm cov tsev kawm ntawv sai lossis tom qab txawm li cas los xij vim tias ib zaug cov tsev kawm ntawv hauv nroog mus txog qib ntawm cov neeg tsawg ... lawv yuav tsis yog ib feem ntawm txoj haujlwm lawm.
Kuv mam li siv Brown Deer ua piv txwv. Nws yog feem ntau suav hais tias, yav dhau los, yuav luag tag nrho-dawb lub tsev kawm ntawv hauv nroog suburban, zoo nkauj ua tiav, thiab tam sim no lawv yuav luag 50-50. Qhov tseeb, kuv xav tias lawv yog haiv neeg tsawg-dawb feem ntau tsev kawm ntawv. Thiab qhov ntawd tau tshwm sim nyob ib puag ncig, yog li txawm tias Pawg Neeg Saib Xyuas tsis tau tshem tawm ntawm 220 qhov kev pab cuam zaum kawg no mus-ncig, nws tau qis zuj zus mus rau qhov chaw uas nws yeej tsis muaj qhov cuam tshuam tam sim ntawd uas nws tau pib.
SAGE yog ib zaj dab neeg txawv. Kuv xav tias feem ntau cov ntaub ntawv txhawb nqa cov chav kawm me me, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog cov menyuam yaus los ntawm cov keeb kwm nyuaj thiab tsis muaj kev paub nplua nuj uas cov menyuam hauv nruab nrab muaj. Tab sis qhov tseeb ntawm qhov teeb meem yog nyob rau hauv Milwaukee, cov chav kawm qhov ntau thiab tsawg tseem tau nce mus ntxiv, thiab kuv xav hais tias ntau zaus lawv zoo tshaj qhov lawv yuav tsum ua rau SAGE program.
Yog tias koj txawm saib lawv cov menyuam yaus hnub nyoog 3 xyoos uas tsis tau them los ntawm SAGE, 40, 50 cov menyuam yaus hauv chav kawm, thiab cov no yog cov menyuam yaus nyuaj tshaj plaws uas peb xav tau ua ntej. Yog li muaj qee qhov, qee qhov tseem ceeb ua haujlwm tawm tsam Milwaukee thiab hauv txhua lub nroog hauv nroog.
Kuv xav hais tias, nyob rau hauv lem, kuv kuj txaus siab rau txoj hauj lwm ntawm lub tsev kawm ntawv cheeb tsam nyob rau hauv ob peb xyoos dhau los. Lawv muaj tus thawj saib xyuas zoo (Darienne Tsav Tsheb). Nws tsom ntsoov rau qhov yog. Nws tsis tau cog lus tias yuav hloov tej yam thaum hmo ntuj thiab tsom mus rau kev qhia thiab kev kawm thiab yam khoom uas tseem ceeb kom ua tiav hauv Milwaukee.
Yog li kuv xav tias peb tau mus rau hauv txoj kev yog, tab sis nws yog nyob rau ntawm ib tug qwj lub pace ntawm qhov zoo tshaj plaws thiab qhov ntawd tsuas yog tsis txaus siab.
Dab tsi yog lwm qhov laj thawj uas koj yuav hais tias yog tsav qhov kev sib tw ua tiav?
Evers: Cia kuv rov qab hais tias peb yuav tsum ua dab tsi los hloov nws. Vim kuv xav tias ntau ntawm nws yog kev lag luam pib nrog. Tab sis qhov tseeb ntawm qhov teeb meem yog, hauv Wisconsin, feem ntau cov kws qhia ntawv zoo li kuv thiab tuaj ntawm cov nroog me. Thawj zaug kuv muaj kev sib cuam tshuam nrog ib tug neeg ntawm cov xim yog thaum kuv ua hauj lwm ntawm lub Hoobkas canning nyob rau hauv high school thiab ob peb tug neeg Hispanic ua hauj lwm ib sab ntawm kuv. Thiab nws tsuas yog nyuaj heev rau cov neeg uas tsis muaj kev nplua nuj, muaj ntau haiv neeg ntawm kev paub dhau los, kuv txhais tau tias, kuv tsis tuaj yeem taug kev mus rau Milwaukee South High School thiab ua tus kws qhia ntawv txaus, kuv tuaj yeem qhia rau koj. Thiab kuv xav tias tus kws qhia ntawv zoo tiag tiag hauv Pewaukee, hais tias, yuav tsis tas yuav yog tus kws qhia ntawv qib siab hauv South Milwaukee Division High School. Tsuas muaj qee qhov kev paub dhau los ntawm lub neej lossis los ntawm kev nthuav tawm ntau haiv neeg uas ua rau peb muaj kev tsis zoo. Kuv tsis paub qhov feem pua ntawm cov kws qhia ntawv African-Asmeskas hauv Milwaukee, tab sis nws yog feem pua tsawg heev. Kuv tsis tau hais tias cov kws qhia dawb ua tsis tau tiav, tab sis lawv yuav muaj lub sijhawm nyuaj dua vim lawv keeb kwm yav dhau los.
(Kev Txhawb Kev Ua Haujlwm Zoo rau Txhua Tus) cov tswv yim los ntawm qhov teeb meem ntawm kev ua kom txhua tus kws qhia ntawv, tsis hais lawv cov xim lossis keeb kwm yav dhau los, muaj kev coj noj coj ua thiab nkag siab txog ntau haiv neeg, (thiab) txaus siab rau kev nplij siab hauv cov xwm txheej uas lawv yuav yog tsuas yog tus neeg ntawm cov xim sib txawv hauv qhov chaw zoo li chav kawm. Qhov ntawd yuav siv qhov kev npaj tshwj xeeb thiab kev npaj thiab hloov peb cov qauv.
Qhov teeb meem yog, yog tias peb tso siab rau peb nyiam cov neeg Asmeskas-Asmeskas ntau dua lossis cov neeg muaj xim rau txoj haujlwm, kuv yuav yog rau taw hauv qab lub sijhawm uas tshwm sim. Tsuas yog, nws yuav tsis tshwm sim sai sai. Ntau tus menyuam yaus ntawm cov xim tsis tau muaj kev paub zoo ... hauv lawv txoj kev kawm, thiab tej zaum qhov kawg uas lawv xav ua yog tus kws qhia ntawv, hais ncaj. Thiab tseem - thiab qhov no yog qhov teeb meem me me, tab sis nws yog ib qho uas kuv yuav txuas ntxiv rau txawm tias cov tub ntxhais kawm uas ua tau zoo hauv cheeb tsam Milwaukee - rau cov menyuam yaus xim, ntau zaus lawv tawm hauv lub xeev thiab tsis rov qab los. Thiab kuv xav tias peb tab tom poob ib qho peev txheej tseem ceeb.
Nws yog qhov teeb meem K-dhau-20. Nws yog ib qho teeb meem nyiaj txiag. Tab sis kuv kuj xav tias peb tuaj yeem ua qee yam tam sim no. Kuv xav tias kev pab peb cov kws qhia ntawv muaj cov chav kawm zoo, kom paub tseeb tias lawv muaj kev coj noj coj ua, yog qhov tseem ceeb heev. Ib qho ntxiv uas kuv vam tias yuav ua haujlwm nrog tib neeg xyoo no… puas muaj cov txiv hmab txiv ntoo qis tiag tiag hauv Milwaukee - nws tuaj yeem yog nyob rau lwm thaj chaw hauv nroog Wisconsin - cov menyuam yaus mus kawm ntawv lub caij ntuj sov yog paltry… Kuv xav tias muaj kev sib koom tes hauv tsev kawm ntawv lub caij ntuj sov yuav pab tau. Peb muaj daim swb no uas tshwm sim txhua lub caij ntuj sov thiab peb tuaj yeem pab tiv thaiv qhov yooj yim tiag tiag, peb tsuas yog yuav tsum tau ua kom cov neeg hauv Milwaukee County muaj zog ntawm qhov no. Vam tias, kuv yuav ua haujlwm rau qhov ntawd thiab tau txais nws mus. Thiab nws kuj yog, raws li kuv tham nrog cov neeg hauv Milwaukee, tsis yog nws tab tom npaj cov menyuam kawm ntawv ntau dua, tab sis peb muaj ntau tus menyuam raug tua nyob rau lub caij ntuj sov hauv Milwaukee. Nws yog ib qho teeb meem ntawm kev nyab xeeb ib yam nkaus ... Yog tias peb cia lawv koom nrog hauv tsev kawm ntawv ntev dua thaum nruab hnub, thaum lub caij ntuj sov, peb ua kom lawv muaj kev nyab xeeb dua, ua rau qeeb qeeb thiab ua kom muaj kev vam meej. Yog li ntawd yog lwm yam peb tab tom ua haujlwm.
Nws yog qhov nyuaj tshwj xeeb thaum kev lag luam ntawm cov zej zog nyuaj heev.
Los ntawm cov ntaub ntawv, nws zoo li Wisconsin tsis tuaj yeem qhia nws cov tub ntxhais kawm dub. Vim li cas qhov no tsis hloov, thiab vim li cas peb thiaj li tsis tuaj yeem ua lub xeev txhim kho?
Evers: Qhov tseeb ntawm qhov teeb meem yog nyob rau hauv qee qhov kev sim tsis ntev los no peb tau ua qee qhov txiaj ntsig hauv zej zog Hispanic uas tsis tau paub txog hauv zej zog African-Asmeskas. Thiab kuv xav tias nws yog qhov teeb meem ntau dua ntawm lub neej ntev ntawm kev lag luam kev ntxhov siab uas lawv tau nyob hauv. Thiab koj paub, lawv tau ua qhev 150 xyoo dhau los, thiab kev khwv nyiaj txiag ntawm lawv lub neej tsis tau hloov pauv thaum lwm tus menyuam yaus, cov tsev neeg ntawm cov xim tsis ntev los no rau Wisconsin. Koj siv tau Hmoob ua piv txwv. Tseem muaj qhov sib txawv, tab sis lawv tau qhab nia siab dua African-Asmeskas. Thiab kuv ntseeg kuv xav tias nws yog lub sijhawm ntev uas lawv tau nyob rau hauv cov xwm txheej nyuaj nyiaj txiag tshwj xeeb. Muaj qhov sib txawv loj hauv lub sijhawm.
Peb twb muaj … ntawm ib lub sij hawm yog tias koj yog ib tug kawm qib XNUMX, African-Asmeskas, hauv Milwaukee, koj yuav tau tsiv mus rau plaub lub tsev kawm ntawv sib txawv hauv ib xyoos. Thiab qhov ntawd yog ib daim ntawv qhia rau kev puas tsuaj. Thiab qee qhov ntawm qhov ntawd yog, qhov tseeb, lub tswv yim tsev kawm hauv zej zog yeej tsis muaj nyob hauv Milwaukee lawm. Lawv tau mus rau ntau lub tsev kawm ntawv tshwj xeeb uas cov menyuam yaus mus ncig thoob plaws lub nroog. Muaj kev txav mus los siab, thiab tom qab ntawd koj muaj teeb meem kev txom nyem, koj nyob nrog Niam ib nrab sijhawm lossis tej zaum Yawg lossis Txiv, thiab koj tsiv txhua lub sijhawm. Ib qho ntawm peb lub hom phiaj, thiab peb tau mus txog rau feem ntau, yog ua haujlwm nrog MPS los ua qauv qhia cov ntaub ntawv hauv txhua lub tsev kawm ntawv kom txawm tias koj tsiv los koj tsis hloov, pib ntawm kos.
Lwm qhov… puas yog muaj kev txav mus los hauv Milwaukee ib ncig ntawm qhov teeb meem ntawm cov tsev kawm ntawv hauv zej zog, thiab kuv xav tias muaj qee qhov txiaj ntsig zoo rau nws. Kuv tsis xav tias muaj ntau qhov kev tshawb fawb zoo nyob ib puag ncig nws, tab sis muaj kev nkag siab zoo nyob ib puag ncig nws qhov chaw uas lawv muaj tag nrho cov kev pabcuam wraparound nyob rau hauv lub tsev kawm ntawv, txawm hais tias nws yog kev kho hniav lossis kev mob hlwb, txawm tias nws yog kev pabcuam kev sib raug zoo, nws yog tag nrho hauv ib lub tsev kawm ntawv thiab cov tsev kawm ntawv yeej muaj cov neeg ua haujlwm nthuav tawm uas ua haujlwm hauv zej zog kom coj cov neeg tuaj koom. Tab sis qhov txawv ntawm qhov ntawd yog koj ib txwm yuav muaj kev nyuaj siab tawm hauv av hauv Milwaukee vim tias lawv yeej tsis muaj ntau lub tsev kawm ntawv nyob ib puag ncig lawm, yog li kev sib tw cov niam txiv, cov neeg zej zog nyob ib puag ncig saib xyuas cov menyuam yaus. nyob rau hauv lawv cov zej zog, yuav nyuaj npaum li cas thaum cov me nyuam mus 10 mais txoj kev mus kawm ntawv los yog 20 mais txoj kev mus kawm ntawv.
Kuv nco qab tias kuv tab tom… xam phaj… ib tug ntxhais hluas los ntawm South Division High School. Nws yog African-Asmeskas. Txhawm rau kom nws nkag mus rau tag nrho cov kev pabcuam uas nws xav tau ntawm South Division, nws yuav tsum tau sawv ntxov zoo li 4 teev sawv ntxov thiab xyuas kom nws tau caij npav raws sijhawm. Nws ua si kis las, yog li nws ua li ntawd tom qab tsev kawm ntawv. Yog li ntawd, nws hnub zoo li 4 thaum sawv ntxov txog 10 tsaus ntuj thiab tom qab ntawd pib dua. Thiab qhov ntawd tsis yog taug kev hla txoj kev mus tsev ... yog li ntawm no yog ib tus neeg uas muaj lub siab xav thiab txaus siab mus rau mais ntxiv thiab tau txais kev qhia ntxiv nws xav tau, tab sis txhawm rau ua qhov ntawd muaj 20-teev hnub, 15 - teev hnub. Nws tsuas yog siv ntau heev rau cov tib neeg los ua nws. Yog li hom kev kho cov kev pabcuam no zoo dua me ntsis yuav pab tau. Tab sis nws yuav siv ntau tshaj li lub tsev kawm ntawv hauv cheeb tsam los ua qhov no.
Puas yog cov kev daws teeb meem rau qhov kev ua tau zoo sib txawv yuav tsum tau dav dua cov tsev kawm ntawv?
Evers: kiag li. Thiab Milwaukee muaj lub zej zog kev pab nyiaj zoo, thiab lwm thaj chaw hauv nroog ib yam nkaus, uas pab tau cov tsev kawm ntawv tawm, tab sis nws nyuaj heev los koom tes nrog txhua pab pawg neeg nyiam. Peb tau sim ntau xyoo, nrog rau qee qhov kev vam meej, kom tau txais cov pab pawg me nyuam yaus thaum ntxov los ua ib qho kev sib koom ua ke, txawm tias lawv sib txawv ntawm cov nyiaj thiab qhov ntawd tau ua tiav, tab sis nws nyuaj heev dua li qhov ntawd. Ib yam uas kuv xav kom Dr. Tsav Tsheb tau ua yog nws tsom mus rau cov tsev kawm ntawv theem siab. Kom meej meej hauv tsev kawm ntawv theem siab hauv Milwaukee thiab peb cov nroog hauv nroog nyuaj heev, tab sis kuv xav tias nws yog thaj chaw uas muaj qee qhov kev tsis sib haum xeeb hauv Milwaukee zej zog, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog hais txog yuav ua li cas cov tsev kawm ntawv theem siab tuaj yeem hloov mus rau qhov zoo dua - kev kawm txuj ci ntau dua, hais ncaj ncees, ntau dua. suab paj nruag, kos duab thiab (kev kawm cev nqaij daim tawv), txhua yam uas peb paub thaum peb mus kawm ntawv yog ib qho tseem ceeb uas tau raug zoo tawm ntawm ntau lub tsev kawm ntawv theem siab. Thiab lwm qhov zoo ntawm nws qhov kev tsom xam yog tias nws yuav tsis nkag mus rau hauv qhov kev sib cav hais txog cov tsev kawm ntawv hom twg zoo dua, daim ntawv pov thawj lossis daim ntawv pov thawj, vim tias MPS hom muaj lub ntiaj teb no vim tias tsawg daim npav mus rau cov menyuam kawm ntawv theem siab thiab tsawg heev. , feem pua, txawj ntse, mus rau ib qho kev ywj pheej charter, yog li ntawd peb muaj peev xwm cia li ib yam ntawm cov txheej txheem uas kav ib sab thiab tsom ntsoov rau kev ua kom cov tsev kawm ntawv theem siab ib tug tsim nyog ib puag ncig rau cov me nyuam.
Nyob rau hauv tas li ntawd, kuv yuav hais tias lawv tau nce lawv cov kev kawm tiav nyob rau lub sij hawm, thiab nws tsis tau mus rau historic heights, tab sis lawv nyob nraum nce mus txog 70 feem pua.
John Johnson: Hauv Xeev, peb muaj ib yam.
Evers: Peb mus txuas ntxiv mus. Thoob plaws hauv lub xeev, African-Asmeskas, txhua tus menyuam yaus ntawm cov xim, peb tab tom hloov qhov ntawd. Tab sis nws mus qeeb.
Johnson: Yog tias koj rov qab mus rau 20 xyoo, MPS tau kawm tiav zoo li 40 feem pua cov me nyuam dub.
Tom McCarthy: Lwm yam uas lawv tab tom ua haujlwm zoo yog tsib- thiab rau xyoo (tus nqi kawm tiav). Lawv tab tom tsom mus rau qhov tseeb tias tsuas yog vim lawv tsis tau txais lawv ntawm 18 raws li ib txwm kawm tiav, tseem muaj lub sijhawm rau lawv ua haujlwm thiab ua tiav cov haujlwm.
Johnson: Kuv yuav muab ib lub suab rau qhov kawm tiav tsib- thiab rau xyoo yog qhov tseem ceeb. Thiab tsis yog txhua tus neeg sau xov xwm npog nws kuv xav ntau npaum li lawv yuav tsum tau ua. A, peb txoj cai lij choj hauv Wisconsin hais tias koj muaj cai rau kev kawm ntawv pej xeem txog thaum koj muaj 20 xyoo; thiab B, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob rau hauv cov cheeb tsam uas muaj feem pua ntawm cov menyuam yaus uas muaj kev xav tau tshwj xeeb, nrog rau IEP (cov phiaj xwm kev kawm rau tus kheej), lawv tuaj yeem mus kawm ntawv kom txog thaum lawv muaj 21 xyoos. uas koj yeej yuav tsum saib ntawm tsib- thiab rau-xyoo kawm tiav tus nqi.
Koj puas xav tias kev siv zog tiag tiag ntawm qhov sib txawv ntawm qhov ua tiav tuaj yeem ua los ntawm cov kev daws teeb meem hauv zos es tsis yog kev nom kev tswv?
Evers: Yog. Yog lawm. Tshwj xeeb tshaj yog hnub no thiab hnub nyoog, yog tias cov kev daws teeb meem los ntawm Madison, lawv yuav nqus. Thiab kom lawv ua tiav hauv zos yog qhov zoo dua.
Thiab ib qho piv txwv me me: Txhua tus kws qhia ntawv hauv lub xeev yuav muaj qee lub luag haujlwm txhim kho kev ua haujlwm uas peb yuav ua kom yooj yim tshwj xeeb kom lawv nkag mus rau cov khoom tsim kho kev tshaj lij hauv Kev Txhawb Kev Tshaj Lij rau Txhua lub vev xaib thiab yog li A, lawv yuav mus. muaj qee qhov yuav tsum tau muaj ntawv tso cai, kev txhim kho kev ua haujlwm. Lawv tuaj yeem pub rau hauv cov khoom ntawd. Tsis tas li ntawd, raws li koj paub hauv lub xeev, ... peb tsis nyob hauv lub ntiaj teb uas qhov kev ntsuam xyuas ntawm cov kws qhia ntawv muaj qhov sib npaug ntawm lub xeev hauv kev cia siab thiab cov kws qhia ntawv yuav tsum tau muab tso ua ke cov phiaj xwm uas cuam tshuam txog lawv cov kev ntsuam xyuas. Ntxiv dua thiab, lawv tuaj yeem siv cov ntaub ntawv no, yog li nws yuav raug teeb tsa zoo kawg nkaus rau qhov ntawd.
Tab sis los teb koj cov lus nug, kiag li. Thiab kuv xav tias kuv hnyav dhau Madison. Peb lub hom phiaj yog kom cov neeg zej zog koom nrog qhov no. Tsis muaj ib qhov kev pab cuam uas yuav cawm tau qhov no uas yuav los ntawm Madison.
McCarthy: Kuv xav tias lub tswv yim no siv rau ntau tshaj li cov tsev kawm ntawv xwb. Nws siv rau txhua yam koj ua. Yog tias koj tuaj yeem tau txais ib tus neeg yuav-hauv thiab lawv cov kev coj ua zoo tshaj plaws, thiab lawv xav tias nws yog ib lub tswv yim zoo, lawv yuav muaj peev xwm ua kom tiav ntau dua li tsuas yog qhia rau ib tus neeg tias koj yuav tsum mus thiab kos lub thawv no. Lawv yuav tsis muaj teeb meem txog qhov lawv yuav mus xyuas lub npov ntawd li cas, yog tias koj qhia rau lawv, "qhov no yog qee yam koj yuav pom cov txiv hmab txiv ntoo ntawm no yog vim li cas," thiab lawv tau yuav hauv.
Evers: Ib qho piv txwv me me ntawm kev siv Madison ua qhov chaw uas tej zaum peb yuav tsum tsis txhob cia siab ntau los ntawm, tshwj tsis yog rau Lub Tsev Haujlwm (ntawm Public Instruction), nyob rau hauv cov peev nyiaj kawg lawv tau dhau los ntawm txoj cai lij choj uas tuaj yeem kos tawm ib daim ntawm Milwaukee. Cov Tsev Kawm Ntawv Pej Xeem uas ua tsis tau zoo, thiab tom qab ntawd Lub Nroog Tus Thawj Coj (Chris Abele) yog qee yam yuav tau txais thiab qee qhov kev hloov pauv kev tswj hwm yuav ua rau cov neeg Asmeskas-Asmeskas ua tiav ntawm qee qib siab dua. Tsuas yog baloney xwb. Tsis muaj ntaub ntawv los txhawb qhov ntawd.
Koj puas saib mus rau lwm lub xeev nrog cov piv txwv zoo ntawm kev kaw qhov sib tw ntawm kev ua tiav kev sib tw?
Evers: Tsis muaj. Tsis muaj. Kuv xav hais tias Florida tau ua qee yam nthuav dav hauv kev kaw qhov sib txawv, tab sis lawv tau pib los ntawm lwm qhov chaw ... Kuv xav tias lawv tau ua haujlwm zoo nrog cov menyuam yaus African-Asmeskas, tab sis lawv kuj tau nqis peev nyiaj ntau heev. hauv kev kawm ntawv thiab ua kom lawv cov kab ke ua kom haum rau cov kev nyuaj uas cov menyuam muaj. Kuv xav hais tias (qhov sib txawv) tsis tau hloov hlo li.
Johnson: (Qhov kev nce qib hauv kev kaw qhov sib txawv ntawm qhov kev ua tiav yog) yam ntawm flattening tawm.
Yog li tsis muaj lwm lub xeev tab tom txhim kho?
Evers: Hauv kuv lub tswv yim, tsis yog. Qee lub sij hawm kuv tau koom nrog cov neeg uas yog cov npoj yaig ntawm kuv, thiab kuv tsis tau pom ib lub xeev uas tau ua txawv. Muaj lwm lub xeev uas tsis muaj qhov sib txawv ntawm qhov ua tiav, tab sis lawv tsis muaj ntau tus menyuam xim.
Yog li ntawd, Wisconsin tsis yog qhov tshwj xeeb hauv cov qauv tawv ncauj no.
Evers: Tsis yog.
Johnson: Koj saib hauv teb chaws thiab txhua lub xeev muaj qhov sib txawv ntawm kev ua tiav. Tsis muaj leej twg tau daws lossis tau tshem tawm qhov tsis sib xws ntawm kev ua tiav ntawm (feem ntau thiab cov tub ntxhais kawm tsawg), tshwj xeeb tshaj yog cov tub ntxhais kawm African-Asmeskas.
Evers: Thiab yog tias koj saib qee lub xeev uas muaj feem pua piv rau (ntawm) Asmeskas cov menyuam yaus Indian uas muaj coob tus nyob hauv kev txom nyem ... nws tau hais lus mob siab rau txog qhov tshwj xeeb uas nws tau mus xyuas thoob plaws lub tebchaws no. Nws hais tias, "Kuv tau pom kev txom nyem hauv kuv lub ntiaj teb, tab sis kuv tsis tau pom ib yam li ntawd." Koj saib ntawm qee lub xeev uas muaj feem pua ntawm cov menyuam yaus Indian tab sis kuj lawv qhov kev sib tw ua tiav yog qhov loj heev, ib yam nkaus.
Nws tsuas yog yuav tsum pib nrog lawv lub peev xwm kom muaj lub neej hauv tsev uas ua rau lawv pib zoo.
Cov nonprofit Wisconsin Center rau Kev Tshawb Xyuas Xov Xwm (www.WisconsinWatch.org) koom tes nrog Wisconsin Cov Xov Xwm Zej Tsoom, Wisconsin Cov Xov Xwm Rau Pej Xeem, lwm cov xov xwm tshaj tawm thiab UW-Madison Tsev Kawm Ntawv Xov Xwm thiab Kev Sib Txuas Lus. Txhua yam haujlwm tsim, tshaj tawm, tshaj tawm lossis tshaj tawm los ntawm Lub Chaw tsis tas yuav cuam tshuam cov kev xav lossis kev xav ntawm UW-Madison lossis ib qho ntawm cov koom tes.
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